In Dialogue There Is No Accountability For Being Or Doing Wrong. by Dean Gotcher

In Dialogue There Is No Accountability For Being Or Doing Wrong.
(Personal note.)

by
Dean Gotcher

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:16

"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matthew 12:50

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21

In dialogue there is no accountability for being or doing wrong—it is only an opinion. That is why dialogue is the "weapon of choice" used by children (including those in adult bodies) who want to do, are doing, or have done what they have been told is wrong, trying to 'justly' their "self," i.e., their carnal desires, i.e., their "lusts" of the 'moment' which the world is stimulating, establishing their "self," i.e., their carnal nature over and therefore against the father's/Father's authority, i.e., over and therefore against doing right and not wrong according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth (that "get in the way" of their carnal nature, i.e., their "lusts" of the 'moment'). While dialogue in itself is not wrong (it simply is our 'likes' and 'dislikes,' i.e., our preferences), when it is used to negate (circumvent, usurp, i.e., suspend, as upon a cross) right and wrong, i.e., established commands, rules, facts, and truth—as a child's "Why?" in response to a father's command that prevents, i.e., inhibits or blocks him from doing what he wants (his "Why?" 'justifying' his desire over and therefore against the father's authority, i.e., his "Why?" 'justifying' his "feelings" over and therefore against the father's established commands, rules, facts, and truth, i.e., his "Why?" 'justifying' his rebellion over and therefore against obedience to the father)—it becomes wrong. You can not be chastened for your opinion, i.e., for "I think" and "I feel" you can only be chastened when you are told you are wrong, i.e., "I knew better" (because I was told, i.e., the soul knows by being told, i.e., "Because my father (my parents), my teacher, my boss, God ("It is written") said so," i.e., told me, the flesh knows by experiencing, i.e., by "sense experience" only, i.e., by stimulus-response).

"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Luke 16:15

"In the dialogic relation of recognizing oneself in the other, they experience the common ground of their existence." (Jürgen Habermas, Knowledge & Human Interest, Chapter Three: The Idea of the Theory of Knowledge as Social Theory)

By making the child's behavior, i.e., his "feelings," i.e., his impulse and urges subject to "science," as in "behavior 'science,'" the child's carnal nature is automatically 'justified,' i.e., is established over and therefore against the father's/Father's authority, 'liberating' the child from having to do right and not wrong according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth, 'justifying' his doing wrong, disobeying, sinning ("lusting"), establishing his will (engendering the "super-ego," which is subject to the child's "feelings") over and therefore against the father's/Father's authority (which engenders the guilty conscience, making the child subject to the father's/Father's established commands, rules, facts, and truth, i.e., subject to doing the father's/Father's will). "Behavior science," i.e., psychology—by re-defining the "lust of the flesh" as "sensuous needs," the "lust of the eyes" as "sense perception," and the "pride of life" as "sense experience"—can only 'liberate' the child from the father's/Father's authority. Being 'driven' by "human nature," i.e., "feelings," i.e., the child's carnal nature, i.e., dialogue, "behavior 'science,'" i.e., psychology has no other 'purpose' than that of 'liberating' the child from the father's authority, i.e., the "church" from the Father's authority.

"The child, contrary to appearance, is the absolute, the rationality of the relationship; he is what is enduring and everlasting, the totality which produces itself once again as such [once he is 'liberated' from the father'/Father's authority to become as he was before the father's/Father's first command, rule, fact, or truth came into his life (separating him from his "self" and the world), of (and now for) "self" and the world only]." (Georg Hegel, System of Ethical Life)

"Sense experience must be the basis of all science." "Science is only genuine science when it proceeds from sense experience, in the two forms of sense perception and sensuous need, that is, only when it proceeds from Nature." (Karl Marx, MEGA I/3)

"Experience is, for me, the highest authority." "Neither the Bible nor the prophets, neither the revelations of God can take precedence over my own direct experience." (Carl Rogers, on becoming a person: A Therapist View of Psychotherapy)

"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions [Gr, antithesis] of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith." 1 Timothy 6:20, 21

The child's use of dialogue in situations of right and wrong is to "prevent someone who KNOWS from filling the empty space." (Wilfred Bion, A Memoir of the Future) Making thought, i.e., "the empty space" subject to "KNOWING" (from being told) makes the child accountable when he does wrong, i.e., making him "feel" bad (have a guilty conscience) for thinking about doing, doing, or having done wrong. It is in dialogue, i.e., in "self" 'justification' the child attempts to 'liberate' his "self" from having a guilty conscience for thinking about doing, doing, or having done wrong. That is why, with his "Why?" the child tries to get the father into dialogue (there is no wrong, therefore no accountability for being or doing wrong, i.e., there is no father's/Father's authority in dialogue, at the most or at the "worst" there is only the need to do things "better" the next time, whatever that means—which is subjective).

"When a man has finally reached the point where he does not think he knows it better than others, that is when he has become indifferent to what they have done badly and he is interested only in what they have done right, then peace and affirmation ["lust" with others approving (not judging, condemning, rejecting him for) his "lusts"] have come to him." (G. F. W. Hegel in Carl Friedrich, The Philosophy of Hegel)

"The child, contrary to appearance, is the absolute, the rationality of the relationship; he is what is enduring and everlasting, the totality which produces itself once again as such [once he is 'liberated' from the father'/Father's authority to become as he was before the father's/Father's first command, rule, fact, or truth came into his life (separating him from his "self" and the world), "of and for self" and the world only]." (Georg Hegel, System of Ethical Life)

"Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness." Hebrews 12:5-11

When dialogue enters education (thereby into the home, the workplace, government, the "church"), where commands, rules, facts, and truth are to be accepted by faith and obeyed (applied), all children (including those in adult bodies) are 'liberated' from accountability for being or doing wrong, so they can do wrong, disobey, sin ("lust") with impunity. This is why 'liberal's always change communication (rephrase the "situation") from discussion (commands, rules, facts, and truth, i.e., accountability) to dialogue ("feelings," i.e., opinions where there is no accountability for being or doing wrong, since there is no "wrong," i.e., no father's/Father's authority in dialogue, "it's only an opinion," i.e., an "I feel," "I think"—if there is any wrong, it is in you for accepting an opinion as a fact or truth and acting on it as "is"). Dialogue (which is informal), when it comes to doing or being right and wrong (which is formal), is the child's effort to 'justify' his "self," i.e., his carnal desires ("lusts") of the 'moment' which the world is stimulating, so he can do what he wants, i.e., do wrong, disobey, sin ("lust") with impunity (without having a guilty conscience, i.e., without being held accountable for his carnal thoughts and carnal actions aka "theory and practice").

"Prior to therapy the person is prone to ask himself, 'What would my parents want me to do?' During the process of therapy the individual come to ask himself, 'What does it mean to me?'" (Rogers, on becoming a person)

    "[W]e recognize the point of view that truth and knowledge are only relative and that there are no hard and fast truths which exist for all time and places." (Benjamin Bloom, Taxonomy of Educational Objectives Book 1, Cognitive Domain)
        "There are many stories of the conflict and tension that these new practices are producing between parents and children." (David Krathwohl, Benjamin S. Bloom, Taxonomy of Educational Objectives Book 2: Affective Domain)
    All "educators" are certified and schools accredited today based upon their use of what are called "Blooms' Taxonomies" ("a psychological classification system") in the classroom, establishing, through dialogue, the child's carnal nature over and therefore against the father's/Father's authority in the classroom curriculum—in the name of "tolerance." If you tolerate wrong (unrighteousness), wrong (unrighteousness) becomes right, i.e., the "norm," making right (doing the father's/Father's will) wrong.

"No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Luke 16:13 While preaching, teaching, and discussion does not save us in and of itself, it is the means by which God speaks to us, i.e., tells us the truth. When we replace it (knowing the truth) with dialogue all we can do is 'justify' our "self," i.e., our carnal nature (before others) over and therefore against God's authority. You have to serve somebody. Since there is no identity in "self" itself—it is "the empty space" looking for identity, i.e., "self preservation" in the world—if you do not learn to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" you will not (can not) hear the truth which comes from God. God leaves it up to you to choose who you will serve—you have to choose one or the other. One is of the 'moment,' temporary, of the world, leading you (your soul, which is eternal) to eternal death. The other is eternal, everlasting, from above, leading you (your soul) to eternal life.

For more on the subject of dialogue, read the issues "Discussion vs. Dialogue," "When Discussion Is Rejected (why discussion is important)." "What Is Missing In Dialogue," "Dialogue: It Is Lethal To Your Authority As A Parent," "Culture of Dialogue," "The Silent Killer," "Opinions, Dialogued, To A Consensus," "Socialism: Through Dialogue Discovering Your "Self" in Others," Dialogue engenders rioteousness," "The Power of Dialogue." "Discussion vs. Dialogue:," "The Dialectic (dialogue) Process." In short, dialogue establishes our "self," i.e., our "sense experience," i.e., our "lusts" as the medium from and through which we "know" the 'truth,' 'justifying' our carnal nature (over and therefore against the father's/Father's authority), discussion, on the other hand, recognizes, accepts, and honors ("reverences") the father's/Father's authority, making the father/Father the arbiter of right and wrong.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:3, 4

Facilitators of 'change,' i.e., psychologists, i.e., behavioral "scientists," i.e., "group psychotherapists," i.e., Marxists (Transformational Marxists)—all being the same in method or formula—are using the dialoguing of opinions to a consensus (affirmation) process, i.e., dialectic 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings" of the 'moment,' i.e., from/through their "lust" for pleasure and their hate of restraint, in the "light" of their desire for group approval, i.e., affirmation and fear of group rejection) in the "group grade," "safe zone/space/place," "Don't be negative, be positive," soviet style, brainwashing (washing the father's/Father's authority from the children's thoughts and actions, i.e., "theory and practice," negating their having a guilty conscience, which the father's/father's authority engenders, for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning in the process—called "the negation of negation" since the father's/Father's authority and the guilty conscience, being negative to the child's carnal nature, is negated in dialogue—in dialogue, opinion, and the consensus process there is no father's/Father's authority), inductive 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings," i.e., their natural inclination to "lust" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment'—dopamine emancipation—which the world stimulates, i.e., their "self interest," i.e., their "sense experience," selecting "appropriate information"—excluding, ignoring, or resisting, i.e., rejecting any "inappropriate" information, i.e., established command, rule, fact, or truth that gets in the way of their desired outcome, i.e., pleasure—in determining right from wrong behavior), "Bloom's Taxonomy," "affective domain," French Revolution (Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité) classroom "environment" in order (as in "new" world order) to 'liberate' children from parental authority, i.e., from the father's/Father's authority system (the Patriarchal Paradigm)—seducing, deceiving, and manipulating them as chickens, rats, and dogs, i.e., treating them as natural resource ("human resource") in order to convert them into 'liberals,' socialists, globalists, so they, 'justifying' their "self" before one another, can do wrong, disobey, sin, i.e., "lust" with impunity.

"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken." Jeremiah 6:16, 17

Home schooling material, co-ops, conferences, etc., are joining in the same praxis, fulfilling Immanuel Kant's as well as Georg Hegel's, Karl Marx's, and Sigmund Freud's agenda of using the pattern or method of Genesis 3:1-6, i.e., "self" 'justification,' i.e., dialectic (dialogue) 'reasoning," i.e., 'reasoning' from/through your "feelings," i.e., your carnal desires of the 'moment' which are being stimulated by the world (including your desire for approval from others, with them affirming your carnal nature) in order to negate Hebrews 12:5-11, i.e., the father's/Father's authority, i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order to do the father's/Father's will, negating Romans 7:14-25, i.e., your having a guilty conscience when you do wrong, disobey, sin, thereby negating your having to repent before the father/Father for your doing wrong, disobedience, sins—which is the real agenda.

"And for this cause [because men, as "children of disobedience," 'justify' their "self," i.e., 'justify' their love of "self" and the world, i.e., their love of the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) which the world stimulates over and therefore against the Father's authority] God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie [that pleasure is the standard for "good" instead of doing the Father's will]: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth [in the Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ], but had pleasure in unrighteousness [in their "self" and the pleasures of the 'moment,' which the world stimulates]." 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12